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    Anti-foreign sport propaganda rally at the weekend, which drew the usual blanket media coverage. The best place to watch it is SSN, who place it last, showing it up for what it is, 30 farmers wrestling in a field whipped up in a parochial frenzy. It's cringeworthy hearing brits describe what's going on, trying to get their tongues round the players (and sometimes the county) names, when they can pronounce Russian, Serbian, and South American surnames in our sport perfectly.

    In our sport, our failure to win the last series of games led to the usual soul searching. The 2 home goals we've scored in the qualifiers so far, is on par with giants such as Malta Andorra and Gibraltar, and still better than the mighty Latvia, Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands, and San Marino.

    But amid all the mass wailing and gnashing of teeth, one thing struck me. What if there was no GAA around? Wouldn't we have more players? Better players? A better domestic league? More media coverage? More financial resources to invest in the domestic game at all levels? Other countries of similiar sizes don't have this issue hanging over them like a scar. While other sports are very popular (rugby, ice hockey, basketball, tennis) football is usually the most popular sport in the country. If it was here, surely we could have (or at least aspire to) more European and World Champions across our and other sports gaining worldwide recognition at Lords or Madison Square Garden or the Maracana or Ellis Park, rather than a bogballer whose sole ambition in lifeis to sweat blood and tears for a rust bucket in the back of a housing estate every September, and parade it in the back of a trailer outside Supermacs the night after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    But amid all the mass wailing and gnashing of teeth, one thing struck me. What if there was no GAA around? Wouldn't we have more players? Better players? A better domestic league? More media coverage? More financial resources to invest in the domestic game at all levels? Other countries of similiar sizes don't have this issue hanging over them like a scar. While other sports are very popular (rugby, ice hockey, basketball, tennis) football is usually the most popular sport in the country. If it was here, surely we could have (or at least aspire to) more European and World Champions across our and other sports gaining worldwide recognition at Lords or Madison Square Garden or the Maracana or Ellis Park, rather than a bogballer whose sole ambition in lifeis to sweat blood and tears for a rust bucket in the back of a housing estate every September, and parade it in the back of a trailer outside Supermacs the night after.
    You can't stop people wanting to play another sport. That's their choice. But what really needs addressing is the fact that the GAA gets a ludicrous amount of funding – and also the fact that the national broadcaster is essentially a propaganda machine for the GAA. Everyone with a bit of cop on can see that Gaelic Football is just 30 men stumbling around a field with a ball and very few rules. But RTE somehow manage to keep a straight face while talking up this utter fucking nonsense and declaring even the most boring and scrappy game to be somehow "epic" or "heroic" or such bullshit. We're competing with an organisation and accompanying journalists that make Goebbels look like a paragon of virtue and truth. That abject cunt Marty Morrissey should be taken out and stoned to death for starters.

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    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/l...blem-1.3237116

    Tells us little that we didn't already know but highlights (again!) how short sighted and clueless our governing body is

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    It's November 11 1987, and we're top of European Championship Group 7 after finishing our campaign with 3 straight wins. Despite that, we only lead Bulgaria on goal difference, before their final game at home to an already eliminated Scotland in fortress Sofia, where they haven't lost in 4 years. In Dublin, Jack Charlton is about to be let go as , as the football isn't attractive enough, unless Scotland win. Having done nothing of note in 85 minutes, the chances of a miracle are getting longer and longer.

    Then.


    Nothing would ever be the same again.

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    I That game was a microcosm of how football is treated in this country. If Bradley played that brand of anti football, where you hope good fortune turns up, instead of beating your opponents with pass and movement, there'd be Rovers fans jumping out of the stands and confronting him head on with shouts of " what the fuck"..
    Instead you have the majority with blind loyalty to "theboysingreen" because they have little interest in the actual beauty of how the game should be played.

    Denmark are complete pish, and the inability of the Irish team to take the game on its merits will probably lead to a admirable defeat. and the Irish will deserve everything they get
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    Tbh, you wouldn't expect anything different. We went there to get a 0-0, and that's what we got. That's what you do in the first leg of a cup tie away, bring home a result, and finish the job in front of your own fans.

    Just like 1992 out there, it finished 0-0. Then we beat them to the world cup on goals scored in the group. We'll have to do it again on Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    Tbh, you wouldn't expect anything different. We went there to get a 0-0, and that's what we got. That's what you do in the first leg of a cup tie away, bring home a result, and finish the job in front of your own fans.

    Just like 1992 out there, it finished 0-0. Then we beat them to the world cup on goals scored in the group. We'll have to do it again on Tuesday.
    Yeah but it is absolutely crap football. Totally negative stuff just trying to stop the other team playing and hoping for a rub of the green to smash and grab a win. 33 percent possession, maybe 2 shots on goal and time wasting at every opportunity. You would swear Ireland were playing Brazil. I cannot understand how the ole ole brigade can put down LOI football and gladly accept that shite.

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    The fans accept it when it gets results. When it doesn't, there's much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Like we did when the other MON was here. It wasn't heavy metal football all the time, in fact it was dull as ditchwater on a regular basis, but everyone forgets that because it was successful. 4 days after Belgrade, we couldn't beat UCD at home. We also went to Dundalk and were 4 down at half time, but we still won the league, so nobody cares.

    Fans will tolerate any style of football once it's successful. Win on Tuesday, and the fact we only scored 4 home goals in the group will be quietly forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Hard to believe that Trevor Clarke wouldn't have been better that Stephen Ward at left back yesterday....
    Once again I say it

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    Absolute dinosaur tactics from O'Neill.

    Mick O'Neill would have won that group, never mind need a play off, but he'd have won the play off too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Once again I say it
    Enda would have been better than either....Trevor still a ways away from that level as seen in Europe for us.

    Over both legs that was some of the worst football I've seen at any level played by one team. We were utter poison.

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    Master class from MON last night .... a masterclass in passive aggressiveness during his post match 'interview' with TO'D- showed his true colours , like all bullies looked pathetic when challenged
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    Quote Originally Posted by the eamon fagan fanclub View Post
    Master class from MON last night .... a masterclass in passive aggressiveness during his post match 'interview' with TO'D- showed his true colours , like all bullies looked pathetic when challenged
    I'd agree with you on every interview between those two up to now, MON has been an absolute dick to Tony. However, last night, Tony was in the wrong. Ridiculous questions.

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    The questions he asks are cringeworthy and obvious most of the time tbh

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    Aside from all that, surely it's long overdue that Hamilton is replaced commentating. Has to be the worst out there for constantly getting players mixed up, as well as the constant flow of statistics. You know the likes of 'the last time Ireland scored when it was raining and it was 12 degrees and they wore white jersies they won'.

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    Whelan has to go too. It's bad enough watching the muck on display without having to listen to his negativity. In the match the other night, he claimed he couldn't see where a goal was going to come from, literally seconds after Long had had a great chance.

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    Atmosphere in the ground pre match and for first 20 minutes was the best I'd heard in the aviva since the pre suits period of the old Landstowne road.
    Then unsurprisingly it just fell flat once the danes took the lead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor K View Post
    I'd agree with you on every interview between those two up to now, MON has been an absolute dick to Tony. However, last night, Tony was in the wrong. Ridiculous questions.
    They were legitimate questions asked of a man responsible for Ireland's biggest ever loss in a playoff, and so he should explain himself. It's not the first time he's lost by that scoreline while in charge either, Portugal gave him a preview of it in 2014.

    TOD is a fully qualified journalist with 25 years of broadcasting experience, so nobody he interviews gets a free pass. Part of being an Ireland coach means dealing with the press, no matter how tedious the questions seem.

    "We don't have the players" is the standard excuse trotted out every time we fail to qualify. But we do have the players, we just don't cast the net wide enough. Iceland qualified top of their group. Sweden kicked Holland and Italy out of the World Cup with no Ibrahimovic around. The brits up the road got themselves a playoff out of a group with Germany in it. How do they do it? As usual, there's more to this failure to qualify, than a lack of players.

    To cut down on the amount of meaningless friendlies with severely weakened sides, attention turns to the "Nations League" next year, where we get drawn in a 3 team League B group. It's a new inititative, and very complicated to describe, but in short; We have 4 competitive games to be played home and away between September and November, with promotion and relegation possibilities to other leagues, and Euro 2020 playoff spots up for grabs. The traditional qualifying campaign will be played in 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    Sweden kicked Holland and Italy out of the World Cup
    Just to be pedantic here but Sweden drew with Holland in Stockholm and were well beaten in the away leg. By the worst Dutch team in living memory it has to be said.

    Holland kicked themselves out of the World Cup by losing to Bulgaria and getting hammered in France , with Luxemburg rolling over and conceding 8 in Sweden meaning Sweden scraped through on goal difference.
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    In an era where coaches in all major sports prepare meticulously for games (Joe Schmidt, all of the top football coaches, even the GAH boys!) O'Neill's make it up as you go along style is completely outdated - if it was ever in fashion. His players are used to being instructed and prepared in every aspect of the game each week at their clubs (whether that's right or wrong is another argument) and then arrive to an Irish camp to be told - "go and play football!"

    His tactical cluelessness was brutally exposed on Tuesday with his two half time substitutions. Michael O'Neill has worked wonders with a much smaller (and less talented) group, attends a number of games most weeks, and has his tactics sorted for each game.

    But with Delaney in charge, the job is O'Neill's for the next two years - assuming he wants it.

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