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    Quote Originally Posted by nphoop View Post
    We should offer to help them out....

    karma works both ways and we would reap rewards in the end.
    Now you are taking the piss!
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    SONG
    The famous Shamrock Rovers went to Rome to see the Pope
    The famous Shamrock Rovers went to Rome to see the Pope
    The famous Shamrock Rovers went to Rome to see the Pope
    And this is what he said
    Who the fuck are Thomas Davis
    Who the fuck are Thomas Davis
    Who the fuck are Thomas Davis
    And the HOOPS GO MARCHING ON ON ON
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    I would love to help Thomas Davis out, due to the fact they are the heart of Rural Irelands community. But due to the finical restrictions, I am not in a position to provide any Bog ballers with a Roof Rack, or a Ladder. I may be able to help write their names on the side on the vans? ***ts and sons

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1624 View Post
    SONG
    The famous Shamrock Rovers went to Rome to see the Pope
    The famous Shamrock Rovers went to Rome to see the Pope
    And this is what he said
    Who the fuck are Thomas Davis
    Who the fuck are Thomas Davis
    What air would you sing that to 1624 ?
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    I assume that the financial malaise is at least partially brought about by the court case.

    Which leads to a logical question. What happened to those people who put up debentures? Did they not really exist?

    Or put another way, have they been shafted by Croker with promises of money to cover it that never materialised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1624 View Post
    SONG
    The famous Shamrock Rovers went to Rome to see the Pope
    The famous Shamrock Rovers went to Rome to see the Pope
    And this is what he said
    Who the fuck are Thomas Davis
    Who the fuck are Thomas Davis
    why did we go to Rome and why would we want to see the pope? whats he ever done for Rovers? where was he in 2005?

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    I hope they go out of existance.
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    Report in the Indo about it this morning. Mentions that they are "struggling to meet their financial committments".
    "Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes"

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    I expect that GAA HQ will step in (on the quiet) to help Thomas Davis, as they would be aghast at the possible public perception that Shamrock Rovers' stadium victory killed off the club.

    On a broader note - I fully expect the GAA to start their usual political lobbying to have GAA clubs shown preferential treatment as they are the "heart of the community" blah fucking blah.

    It's most interesting that so many GAA clubs (and counties) - which are supposed to be amateur, community-based and non-commercial - have gotten themselves burned through greed, speculation and over-ambition.

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    GAA facing its own debt crisis
    Thomas Davis' financial woes highlight problems hanging over so many clubs as recession bites

    Dublin GAA club Thomas Davis have admitted that they are in serious financial trouble, but the big question is: how many others are in a similar predicament?

    As the Thomas Davis membership meets in their clubhouse on Kiltipper Road, Tallaght next Monday night to discuss what chairman Andrew O'Donnell describes as the "current perilous state of the club's finances," there's a considerable volume of anecdotal evidence to suggest that many other GAA clubs all over the country should be similarly occupied.

    There are widespread reports of clubs restructuring loans over much longer periods than originally embarked upon, applying for interest-free loans and special grants from Croke Park and seeking repayment moratoriums from banks as they struggle to devise an escape route from the debt bind.

    Not that the recession-driven problem is confined to the GAA. Many rugby, soccer and golf clubs are equally challenged at a time when income streams, especially sponsorships and fund-raising ventures, have collapsed, membership has dropped and commitments entered into during the prosperous times now look fiercely intimidating.

    Meanwhile, twitchy banks are no longer as accommodating as they used to be. From private to corporate debt -- and at all points in between -- the squeeze is on. That applies to sports clubs who, in the past, had no difficulty sourcing funds for adventurous development projects or even day-to-day running.

    It's estimated that banks are owed hundreds of millions of euro by clubs across all sporting disciplines.

    As the largest sporting organisation, and the one with the biggest network of units and facilities, the GAA, no doubt, top the indebted list and now the fear is that default day can't be far away for some clubs.

    If it were to happen on even a relatively small scale, it would have enormous implications for the entire association.

    Would Croke Park and/or provincial councils be expected -- or be able -- to bail out stricken clubs? And if they did, what impact would it have on funds available for clubs who avoided serious financial trouble, not to mention projects at national level?

    The success of the Croke Park redevelopment generated a giddy attitude among the broader GAA family, especially when the economy was booming, credit was cheap and readily available and expansion was the prize currency of the time.

    The huge debt on Croke Park was effectively wiped out ahead of schedule and, as county boards and clubs became emboldened by the GAA's growing prosperity, no project was deemed too ambitious.

    Plans were drawn up in several counties to exploit the property surge by selling county grounds in the centre of towns and using the massive proceeds to relocate to larger, better equipped specially-built stadia on green field sites.

    It was seen as the way forward, an opportunity for county boards to use the boom to acquire modern facilities in return for their prime locations close to the commercial centres of towns.

    It seemed the ultimate win-win situation for the GAA, even if there were those who questioned the wisdom of moving to the outskirts of towns.

    In the end, none of the deals were finalised in their original format and, given the much-changed economic world, they are most unlikely to ever go ahead.

    It looked at one stage that, inside 10 years, such major projects would have taken place in Tralee, Ennis, Newbridge and Mullingar, plus some other towns which were keeping a watching brief on how the trail-blazers fared.

    It was even mooted that if the proposed sale of Clontarf Golf Club went ahead, Parnell Park would be next on the target list for developers, for whom no asking price was so high.

    Meanwhile, ambitious club developments were undertaken in all 32 counties, most with the enthusiastic backing of financial institutions, which were suitably impressed by the grand schemes.

    The Portlaoise club were especially badly hit. Having sold their grounds behind O'Moore Park to a development company, they purchased a new site two kilometres away.

    The deal with the company was contingent on Portlaoise's old grounds being rezoned for property development, an application which was eventually turned down by an Bord Pleanala.

    However, Portlaoise had already been advanced over €6m to buy the new site, leaving them with a major financial headache when the planning application failed.

    While that was a particularly unfortunate case, it underlined the complication area into which clubs were entering in the middle of the economic boom.

    Others had less ambitious schemes but, nonetheless, were at a level which wouldn't have been countenanced some years previously.

    Everything was, of course, predicated on the economy retaining its record high buoyancy. Once the collapse rocked the foundations, it was only a matter of time before clubs began to suffer.

    Now, in the fourth year of the downturn, the squeeze is tighter than ever and most unlikely to ease any time soon.

    While it can't be easy for such a progressive outfit as Thomas Davis to concede that they are no longer in a position to meet their on-going financial requirements, it may be the start of an admission by clubs that their level of indebtedness has reached unmanageable proportions. Ultimately, that will become an issue for Croke Park, since all clubs are vested in the GAA.

    Former Dublin manager Tommy Lyons warned last week that unless team costs (19.3m last year) were brought under control, the GAA will face bankruptcy inside five years.

    He argued that it was unsustainable for counties to spend an average of over €2m per month for the inter-county season (January to September).

    He also expressed concerns that club debts could ultimately become an even bigger issue. That would now seem to be the case.

    For, while Thomas Davis' statement to the membership that their finances are in a perilous position is one of the few public admissions from clubs of the true extent of the problem, it can only be a matter of time before others are forced to face up to the grim reality of a situation that looked most unlikely to develop five years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlsruhe hoop
    It's most interesting that so many GAA clubs (and counties) - which are supposed to be amateur, community-based and non-commercial - have gotten themselves burned through greed, speculation and over-ambition.

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    For, while Thomas Davis' statement to the membership that their finances are in a perilous position is one of the few public admissions from clubs of the true extent of the problem, it can only be a matter of time before others are forced to face up to the grim reality of a situation that looked most unlikely to develop five years ago.
    It probably has more to do with fighting professional football clubs over stadiums, that got them into the mess they're in. How else did they get into the soup? They don't even have to pay player salaries ffs.

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    What about the 'Bainisteoir's' salary and players' 'travelling expenses', etc.????
    'They paved paradise and put up a parking lot'

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Love View Post
    What about the 'Bainisteoir's' salary and players' 'travelling expenses', etc.????
    What expenses???


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    There's a couple of Irish schools in Blanchardstown where the kids get a letter with the request to bring in 2 euro every now and then and wear red to school , all in support of the local GAA Club St.Brigids.

    I wonder does this club qualify as an official charity and if not , is it not illegal for the school to demand this of their pupils ?
    St.Brigids are being looked after really well by the taxpayer already.

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    They could have a big fund raising match in the Tallaght Stadium, say Dublin versus Kerry, a venue they fought tooth and nail to gain control off, and mould into a GAA facility. Im sure they could sell a few thouseand tickets for that.
    Just thinking.................... the fucking pitch is too small to play GAA on. Still, that never stopped them before did it ?
    Mayble they could have an 11 a side GAA game, or field two teams of midgets to make up for the lack of size of the playing surface.
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    over 2 mil in debt as per reports.

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    New batch of "Last Man Standing" tops in the offing? Could have a limited anniversary edition.
    "Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes"

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    arent portlaoise gga club in 6 million of debt. biffo said the lottery will look favourably on them though

    looks like thomas davis took that famous banner literally

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    If TDs owe two million, what is the total indebtness of the GAA as a organisation ?
    Good week so far, Pre season win in Belfast, TD going down the shitter, Boez scam (loan) scheme hits the rocks.
    Verde fine alla morti

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlsruhe hoop View Post
    I expect that GAA HQ will step in (on the quiet) to help Thomas Davis, as they would be aghast at the possible public perception that Shamrock Rovers' stadium victory killed off the club.
    I have to disagree - so far. The articles ignored that over 1/4 of their debt is legal fees owed to the council alone. In an environment of playgrounds being closed and services withdrawn, that is not a story they want out there. So their acoylites in the media have stated they got out of their depth funding well intentioned improvements to the club like astro pitches. An honest mistake etc.

    But the irony, of course, is that the bridges they burnt politically at the time of the case are now all gone. the Council and Department will let them rot.

    We should buy their land in a firesale and build our training facility there and punt kiltipper to pay for it.
    Fuck off Brennan

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